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Maths of Pandaria: Elemental Haste in 5.3

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After the changes to Lava Burst in 5.3 I've been looking at haste & mastery scaling, attempting to get some simple guidelines to how much of each you should have. Now, it's important to note that these are rough guidelines, and may differ from stat weights that you get with a particular gear set. The guidelines are also broken down into those with the Legendary Meta Gem (LMG) and those without. This excludes Mastery from raid buffs like Grace of Air

Without LMG

Haste until 18214 > Mastery > Haste above 18214 > Crit

This 18214 point (17614 for Goblins) is where your GCD will hit 1 second without other haste buffs. The actual values will fluctuate a bit, but that's the essential priority you want. Not much to it really. Given the stat requirements to hit 18k haste I doubt this will be of much concern for the current tier, and potentially the next one too. This makes a more simplified version:

Haste > Mastery > Crit

With LMG

Haste until 4204 > Mastery = Haste between 4204 & 19771 > Haste over 19771 > Crit

The 4204 point (3741 for Goblins) is a 1 second GCD with the haste aura and one 30% haste buff. 19771 (19154 for Goblins) is where 2 second casts will hit 1 second with the haste aura & one 30% haste buff. Again given the stat requirements to hit the second haste target (around 35,000 haste & mastery rating) so I doubt that will be practical for this expansion either. Again, a simplified version:

Haste until 4204 > Mastery = Haste above 4204 > Crit

An easy way to work out how much Haste and Mastery you should have is to add them together, subtract 4204 for that initial target, then divide by two. This will be your Mastery target, while your Haste target is Mastery + 4204.

Mastery Target = ( H + M - 4204) / 2
Haste Target = Mastery Target + 4204


Notes
I'm should point out that this required a fair bit of data generation, graphing and interpretation. The above is also not completely 100% perfectly super accurate for everybody, but if you're worried about accuracy to that extent then this post really isn't for you in the first place. This will be merged into the guide soon.

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  1. Ike's Avatar
    Trolls and Goblins should also keep in mind that racials affect this, too.

    It's actually probably better to gear for haste and gem/enchant mastery as one of those races, just to avoid capping yourself excessively, but always sim to find out for yourself.
  2. Binkenstein's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Ike
    Trolls and Goblins should also keep in mind that racials affect this, too.

    It's actually probably better to gear for haste and gem/enchant mastery as one of those races, just to avoid capping yourself excessively, but always sim to find out for yourself.
    Good point about Goblins, but Trolls won't be affected (much)
  3. Ike's Avatar
    I know Corn and my statweights differed dramatically at a much earlier point (around 13-14k ish, his mastery is around .1-.3 higher then his haste, which is the opposite for me). Only thing I could think of was berserking causing it.
  4. Binkenstein's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Ike
    I know Corn and my statweights differed dramatically at a much earlier point (around 13-14k ish, his mastery is around .1-.3 higher then his haste, which is the opposite for me). Only thing I could think of was berserking causing it.
    As I said in the post, it's a rough guideline as an accurate one would be more of a 5th+ power polynomial equation.
  5. Hotstone's Avatar
    Hi guys,

    This is my first post on Totemspot and I'm excited to join the community

    This might not be the right spot to pose the question but I found this post interesting. I just wanted to elaborate on how the guidelines above would change (if at all) when choosing between Elemental Mastery/Echo of the Elements and Primal Elementalist/Elemental Blast. I've been an average player for some time and am looking to really fine tune my skills. Since acquiring my t15 4-piece bonus I have been opting for Elemental Mastery and Elemental Blast. My logic behind this choice is as follows:
    - Elemental Shaman tend to be burst dps
    - I am specced EM + EB nearly all the time (I should really give PE a try)
    - Using Ascendance paired with Elemental Mastery gives some huge burst (this makes me favor mastery over haste since Elemental Mastery already reduces my GCD a sufficient amount)
    - Since EM only has a CD of 1.5 mins the 4-piece bonus is allowing me to have burst phases roughly every 2 minutes by waiting just a bit longer than 1.5 mins for my LBs to bring the ascendance CD up.

    I have been simply reforging everything into mastery after hit cap and clearly the above might have a big impact on my dps if I equalize the stats a bit more. My haste is 20.43% and mastery is 55.92%
    I know this is a little off point but I suppose my question is if the guidelines above would favor a PE talent spec instead by maximizing haste and AoE ability?

    Below is the world of logs guild calendar for many of the ToT raids I have been in and my armory link. I appreciate any advice or feedback and I will post in a different forum if more appropriate.
    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...otstone/simple
    http://worldoflogs.com/guilds/1146/
  6. Binkenstein's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Hotstone
    Hi guys,

    This is my first post on Totemspot and I'm excited to join the community

    This might not be the right spot to pose the question but I found this post interesting. I just wanted to elaborate on how the guidelines above would change (if at all) when choosing between Elemental Mastery/Echo of the Elements and Primal Elementalist/Elemental Blast. I've been an average player for some time and am looking to really fine tune my skills. Since acquiring my t15 4-piece bonus I have been opting for Elemental Mastery and Elemental Blast. My logic behind this choice is as follows:
    - Elemental Shaman tend to be burst dps
    - I am specced EM + EB nearly all the time (I should really give PE a try)
    - Using Ascendance paired with Elemental Mastery gives some huge burst (this makes me favor mastery over haste since Elemental Mastery already reduces my GCD a sufficient amount)
    - Since EM only has a CD of 1.5 mins the 4-piece bonus is allowing me to have burst phases roughly every 2 minutes by waiting just a bit longer than 1.5 mins for my LBs to bring the ascendance CD up.

    I have been simply reforging everything into mastery after hit cap and clearly the above might have a big impact on my dps if I equalize the stats a bit more. My haste is 20.43% and mastery is 55.92%
    I know this is a little off point but I suppose my question is if the guidelines above would favor a PE talent spec instead by maximizing haste and AoE ability?

    Below is the world of logs guild calendar for many of the ToT raids I have been in and my armory link. I appreciate any advice or feedback and I will post in a different forum if more appropriate.
    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...otstone/simple
    http://worldoflogs.com/guilds/1146/
    Yeah, it's a little off topic, but I have no idea as this is looking at an Echo/EB setup. Something like this would be best discussed on the forum rather than a thread in a blog post.
  7. Binkenstein's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Hotstone
    I know this is a little off point but I suppose my question is if the guidelines above would favor a PE talent spec instead by maximizing haste and AoE ability?
    /
    Running the default profile with a rule to save EM for every Ascendance, EM/EB is still about 3.4k behind Echo/EB. It could be usable on something like Jin'rokh, but that's about it.
  8. Supila's Avatar
    Now im confused, so i should be having 4k haste?
  9. Ike's Avatar
    No, haste is worth more up until the 4k marker, then it loses some of its value and becomes approximately equal to mastery.
  10. Supila's Avatar
    Okay, well im running with 25% with the buff, and then mastery wich i belive is okay.
  11. Bursty's Avatar
    Do you know any addon or website to calculate the reforges of hit and haste/mastery targets automatically?
  12. Binkenstein's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Bursty
    Do you know any addon or website to calculate the reforges of hit and haste/mastery targets automatically?
    You mean Reforgelite?
  13. Leleko's Avatar
    hello! I would like to ask a question. my current Mastery Rating is 21002 and Haste 10794. According to the math above 21002+10794=31796-4204=27592/2=13796.
    And 13796+4204= 18000
    Does that mean I should try reforging my gear to reach those ratings 13796 for Mastery and 18000 for haste?
    And if that's the case then as I understand it, haste will always be slightly more favoured than mastery, at least until you reach the 1 sec casting time for 2sec cast spells
    I see al the shamans around stacking mastery so heavily that I'm getting confused as to what path of reforging I should follow.
  14. Binkenstein's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Leleko
    hello! I would like to ask a question. my current Mastery Rating is 21002 and Haste 10794. According to the math above 21002+10794=31796-4204=27592/2=13796.
    And 13796+4204= 18000
    Does that mean I should try reforging my gear to reach those ratings 13796 for Mastery and 18000 for haste?
    And if that's the case then as I understand it, haste will always be slightly more favoured than mastery, at least until you reach the 1 sec casting time for 2sec cast spells
    I see al the shamans around stacking mastery so heavily that I'm getting confused as to what path of reforging I should follow.
    This is a rough guide for 5.3, not 5.4.
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